The guy by his own admission is at an upper-mid tier university program. Many leading Caribbean Medical Schools do not require graduate degrees. This is another blog titled "Why SGU may not be for you". Take a hard look at what happened in your life that you weren't able to make it into a US/Canadian med school, FIX IT and come … Because they cannot get into a US MD. Applicants are casting a wider net because schools are forced to turn so many students away. Reminds me of when someone in my family sobbed at Match day because she "only" matched to a mid-tier University IM program. Some students of medicine have a "back door" way to immigrate to the U.S, Canada or the U.K. by taking their training in the Caribbean. Here, students study Basic Sciences at one of the Caribbean campuses then study Clinical Sciences through a clinical rotation program at affiliated hospitals in the US. Here's a discussion in r/medicalschool about going Caribbean. Press J to jump to the feed. Im assuming caribbean students have the same reasons. The Caribbean is a region of the Americas that consists of the Caribbean Sea, its islands and the surrounding coasts. Myth # 4: Caribbean medical schools will take your money and abandon you Medical school is an undeniably large investment, regardless of institution. Whatever the exact numbers may be, we can all agree that 952 entering students --> average class size of 1400 in years 2-4 --> 860 residency placements is not good. Someone with a Step 1 in the 250s is applying family medicine from a Carib top 4 and only received 5 interviews. Nobody wants IMG's anymore. Here is Gonnif's advice from SDN. If your study skills are still terrible (which is why a lot of people end up in the Caribbean, they either had shit study habits or had serious personal problems such as a family issue that took awhile to overcome) then enroll into a class that will help you hone the best way to study BEFORE you get here. The Caribbean Accreditation Authority for Education in Medicine and other Health Professions (CAAM-HP) is an accrediting body for the education programmes and schools of medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine, nursing and other health professions in the 15 member nations of the Caribbean Community (CARICOM). Integrity. At SGU, they said they start with a class size of 800, and they are down to 400 by the time rotations start. … Current Students; Parents ; Faculty & Staff; Contact; About UMHS. My doctor back in the US is from the caribbean and she did her residency at Yale. What are some other match rates? So out of 952 students, on average 350 of them are taking at least 1 extra year to get through the program. If you are a good student and get good board scores and LoRs, are not socially autistic, your chance of matching something like FM from a place like SGU is extremely high. It’s no secret – the main reason and biggest benefit in attending a Caribbean medical school is that it’s less competitive than getting into a U.S. allopathic medical school. This guy is r/iamverysmart material at its finest. Admissions & Aid. Please read more here. A better question is why do you care so much? I don't know about you but my end goal in medical school isn't JUST matching, it's matching into a program I actually at least kind of want to be at. Every building had flyers advertising the Caribbean, but not once were we ever told the risks of that route. I am not saying that is for all Caribb grads. And that's not counting the half of our class that fails of med school BEFORE we even take STEP 1. Many Caribbean medical schools function like U.S. medical schools, which mean they have a rigorous medical curriculum to prepare their students to become successful physicians. For anyone considering medical school, you understand just how prohibitive the admissions process can be. Welcome to /r/MedicalSchool: An international community for medical students. According to the AAMC, only 41% of applicants matriculated during the 2018-2019 academic year. You could SOAP into fam med. News & Resources; Request Info ***URGENT NEWS UPDATE*** Covid-19 Communication . Here are how IMGs are fairing getting interviews. "Oh woe is me, I'm a brilliant mind trapped in a lousy residency with these other loser residents". One of the Lowest Tuition Among Accredited Caribbean Medical Schools. Yeah, something is off about it. At the end of the day it's up to us here at r/premed to give a warning and information and you as an individual to make an informed risk. It is not a high risk choice for everyone. Antigua and Barbuda have two Carib MD schools that have a combined match rate of 46%. That is such a massive discrepancy. We lose a LOT of students down here because the requirements are lower to get into the Caribbean school, but it is just as difficult as a US med school. Here's my disclaimer so don't bring it up. But a word of caution: although many graduates of the best Caribbean medical schools go on to have successful careers in the United States, it can be more difficult to do so than for their U.S.-educated counterparts. What is a for profit Caribbean school? Discover if this path to medicine is a good option. In case you didn't know, you can match OUTSIDE of the match at unfilled programs. More of a gamble than a lottery. Paleo2015 said: 03-17-2016 02:30 PM. Are they legit MDs? It's widely known that a lot of what makes a Carib school really hard is they have insane checkpoints you must hit to even sit for USMLE or other benchmarks. As an example, my undergraduate institution was 70%+ premed. It's dramatic and he's a pretentious douchebag but it's worth a read, This is another blog titled "Why SGU may not be for you", Here's a discussion in r/medicalschool about going Caribbean. One semester is four months in duration. And like I've mentioned with my friend above, there have been students here landing prestigious residencys. source, source, and source. I don't understand people who do carib for the letters. Students pour in from all over the world with different motivations and ambitions. Here's a nice little compilation I've made! These offshore medical schools are for those who can’t get into regular medical schools in the North America, Europe and the Caribbean. Others feel hopeless and keep themselves willfully ignorant, using anything to justify their decision. and etc. That would be interesting. I want to preface this with something: anyone is entitled to make an informed decision and go to the Caribbean to get their MD. SGU has around a 50% match rate. In the 2018-2019 cycle, U.S. medical schools received over 850,000 applications from nearly 53,000 students. As soon as people find out where you went to school your letters lose their "wow". Individuals who could get into US DO schools but care more about the two letters after their name than the risks and setbacks of being an IMG. And because of these success rates, many people attend (alongside the fact that they have lower standards). That's a 90% rate. This guy is still just as full of himself as he was the day he applied to med school and turned down his DO acceptance. However, the 952 entering students can't be a part of the students being held back just yet, so years 2-4 you have an average of 1,400 students per class. This is the group that can be most helped. Of them, the average GPA and MCAT is around a 3.2-3.4 and a 24-27. It’s not that you’re rigid — you just know the value of being prepared. I blame the lack of action by undergraduate institutions here in educating their students and preventing the propaganda from littering their hallways. The average student applies to 16 schools. Although, after hearing the point of view from many Caribbean students, including one that had to live on a boat cause of a hurricane, it is my honest and objective opinion that one should always consider a osteopathic school over a Caribbean school. He paints a far bleaker picture than it really is. I applied and matriculated into a DO school because I believe in Still, the intrinsic ability of the body to heal itself, and muscle energy for T-spine somatic dysfunctions. As it is with medical schools anywhere, some Caribbean Medical Schools are better than others. The following are accredited Caribbean medical schools by WFME, NCFMEA, New York, California and are eligible to offer title iv … High attrition rate – many Caribbean medical schools accept a high number of students in each class (sometimes up to 1,000, which is much higher than any U.S. medical school). Imagine that. That's just how it is. Do people still not realize that these are academic lotteries just to take your money? You tell me that's not better. And to all of you hoping to match into Canada, it is even WORSE to get into to a residency up here than down in the states. For example, the top ten primary care programs at U.S. medical schools cut their acceptance rates in half between 2006 and 2016. That's SIGNIFICANTLY more than the 952 that entered. That guy at the Million Dollar Mistake blog wasn't that smart or he would've been able to make something "better" happen for himself (I use the term "better" lightly - I don't think primary care is actually worse than or beneath the other specialties. Low living cost and low fees along with experienced and qualified teachers, make the local-based university attractive to students who want to pursue a medical profession. While this is brutal, this leads to some of the most battle hardened students I have ever met. It's around 80% MATCH RATE for ACGME residencies with another 6% being able to SOAP, which is what Carib MD's apply into, which is obviously way higher than the 50% match rate of IMG's overall and the 30% of students who need to SOAP into a residency resulting in around a 66% placement rate. yeah reading that thing was trash. Ill throw in my 2 cents on this. Society will tell you otherwise, and those who are insecure or lack self awareness buy into it hard-core. Many … How dare the author of this blog ranks medical schools in the Caribbean and left out The University of the West Indies, which offers an Oxbridge medical degree! The sad thing is i've met a couple carrib students that talk like this. And while the costs are more than other US in-state schools, compare those costs to private medical schools and there you go. Here is another version of this exact write up by /u/Ryndo which is amazing. Ok I used a lot of numbers here. You'll hear SGU say they have the most US residency placements for the past 7 years combined. They change their language on purpose. Attending Caribbean Medical Schools . Now whether they can get into a US DO is uncertain-- I have seen many people, including one of my friends, who was perfectly competitive for DO opt to go to a Carib MD chasing the MD. They sure do! It's like that for a reason. Following the ranking criteria above, we are going to group Caribbean medical colleges with more emphasis on the 15 best medical schools in the Caribbean. The final group are people pressured into medicine by their family. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, 5200 students enrolled, for an average of 1,300 students per year, BOTH start dates as in 2009 each class started with around 430 students with the number increasing, They had over 860 residency placements in 2017, SGU had around a 66% match rate for US-IMGs, Read up on what a claimed 99% match rate means for Ross University, Here is another version of this exact write up by /u/Ryndo which is amazing. CARIBBEAN MEDICAL SCHOOL TUITION. The medical schools of Saint Kitts and Nevis have a match rate of 45%. A DO imo is way more prestigious than Carib MD. That previous paragraph being said, you can make it happen down in the Caribbean, but if you party hard or think that it's gonna be easier than a US medical school I wouldn't recommend even trying, because the odds are against you and you'll waste so much money. Ross has a match rate of 54% among US-IMGs. Still not convinced? Any comments or questions please post below! However, a much lower number of students actually end up graduating. Caribbean Medicine has compiled a comprehensive list of the tuition at the different Caribbean medical schools. If you screwed up in school in undergrad, take advantage of the experience and try to use it to learn that humans are not above one another. He went through the fire of competition, had an amazing CV and board scores but still was unable to match. Etc. Reddit's home for wholesome discussion related to pre-medical studies. All I can do is say my piece and let those that want to risk it to go. These people are at great risk because the facts typically don't persuade them otherwise. Of course I would. Here is a table comparing the tuition (in U.S. $) at the Caribbean medical schools. Grades, intellectual ability, athletic ability, whatever. Id say a large majority know they made a crappy choice going their but DO school was not an option but they are okay with being a PCP. So be it. Ok so not too bad when you consider the 952 number. LINK. Pretty much every American ever. Some individuals truly do not understand the risks. In any case, the better schools will clearly let you know what’s required to gain admission, like the American University of Integrative Sciences in Barbados. Ridiculous. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Pre-medical students might be considering Caribbean medical schools as a way to become a U.S. doctor. I know a lot of graduates from SGU, as does my dad, who works as a radiation therapist. Only about 50% of all medical school applicants get accepted into an US medical school. 3) While dealing with a rigorous medical school schedule, you must also be able to adapt to living in a foreign environment, surrounded by a language and culture that you are probably unfamiliar with. Edit: lol okay I can settle for that link title. r/premed (and honestly the entire premed population ranging from SDN to people still using hotmail and DSL internet) has needed a resource for many years that shows what going to a for-profit medical school in the Caribbean is really like. I am not going to comment on the actual medical education one may receive. They think that because they got accepted into a medical school it means that by virtue of that they must be good enough to become a physician and will be handed an MD and a residency on a silver platter as if becoming a doctor is all but guaranteed once you get accepted, which of course could not be further from the truth. It is also one of the top, accredited, medical schools in the Caribbean. I have no opinion about these schools, only the ones made for US students to come back to the US. There are many medical schools in the Caribbean, but only a handful will allow you to practice medicine in all 50 states in the US. Carib MD's have very high attrition rates. That quote is so hilariously entitled lmao. So there may be a chance you won’t get accepted into a US medical school. Most Caribbean medical students plan to complete residency in the States after attending a Caribbean medical school. eh, I had no idea Caribbean schools were looked down on until lurking here. Let's get some perspective.